Iconic Ferguson Photo Subjects Are Being Charged A Year Later

August 25, 2015 by  
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ST. LOUIS COUNTY — Two young men featured in iconic photos taken during the Ferguson, Missouri, protests of August 2014 are among a whole swath of demonstrators and observers whom St. Louis County authorities chose to prosecute nearly a full year later.

Others who were recently charged by the St. Louis County Counselor’s office include a pastor, a “peace poet,” a young student muralist and a legal observer. At least three professional journalists (including one of the authors of this story) also recently found out they would have to appear in St. Louis County Municipal Court.

Authorities have not said precisely how many people have been charged just under the statute of limitations, but court records examined by The Huffington Post indicated that over two dozen individuals had court dates Monday for allegedly “interfering with a police officer in performance of his duties.” An unknown number of other individuals have court dates on Wednesday and next month.

It’s noteworthy that so many have been charged with little more than “interfering.” That’s the type of vaguely defined offense that policing experts say should be closely scrutinized by law enforcement agencies and by prosecutors because of the wide potential for misuse.

Edward Crawford — also known as “da man wit the chips” — is one of those now being charged. He was arrested in Ferguson on Aug. 13, 2014. Shortly before that, a St. Louis Post-Dispatch photographer snapped a photo of Crawford, wearing an American flag T-shirt and holding a bag of chips, as he threw a police tear gas canister away from the crowd. The picture went viral.

Crawford, a 26-year-old waiter and father of three, told HuffPost that he recently received a summons in connection with the year-old incident. At the time, he was arrested on an officer interference charge, and a court official said he is also facing an assault charge. His court date is next month.  

Earlier this month, Crawford came to the aid of Robert Cohen, the photographer who took the famous shot, after St. Louis County police hit Cohen with pepper spray. Crawford hopes to take classes to become an emergency medical technician, according to the Post-Dispatch, and is considering getting a tattoo of that picture of himself.

He recently told HuffPost that he thinks all the videos and social media furor have helped ensure that the police abuse of the past year hasn’t been ignored.

“In some parts of the world, this is unfamiliar,” Crawford said. “The police crimes are very low, police officers are respectable in a lot of places. Every police officer isn’t bad. There’s a lot of good police officers out there who protect and serve. But you also have some who seem to not.”

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Another protester whose image became famous, Rashaad Davis, was arrested on Aug. 11, 2014. Photographer Whitney Curtis captured a stunning picture (above) of Davis with his hands in the air being confronted by heavily armed police officers in riot gear and gas masks. The photo gathered attention after it ran in The New York Times, and Curtis eventually won a 1st place award from the National Press Photographers Association.

Another angle on that confrontation (below) was caught by Scott Olson, a Getty photographer and former Marine who was later arrested in Ferguson simply for leaving a designated “media zone.” Olson does not appear to be facing charges in connection with that arrest.

But Davis, 24, has been charged with “interfering” with a police officer in performance of his duties.  

Luke Nephew, a member of a group called the Peace Poets, is also facing an “interfering” charge, according to court records. Nephew previously wrote that he and others had been “talking, praying, listening, chanting” last August. Then “police broke into the crowd and started grabbing people,” he said, and everyone started to run.

“I was tackled to the ground,” he recalled. “Multiple cops jumped on me. One grabbed my face and smashed it into the concrete. I felt one of them slam his knee onto the back of my neck. All around, the police were doing the same thing to innocent people. My brothers were laid flat on the ground with automatic weapons pointed at their heads.”

Nephew wrote the lyrics to the song “I Can’t Breathe,” which has become popular in protest circles and was sung by road-blocking demonstrators in New York following the decision not to indict the officer who used a chokehold on Eric Garner. The Peace Poets did not respond to a request for comment.

Dennis Black, a legal observer originally arrested on a “failure to disperse” charge last year, has now been charged with “interfering” with a police officer as well. Rev. Melissa Bennett, who is often seen playing the drums during St. Louis area protests, was charged with “interfering” in connection with her October 2014 arrest, but that case was dismissed on Monday. A high school student who helped paint a mural on the Ferguson movement is facing an “interfering” charge.

And they are not the only ones whom St. Louis County authorities decided to prosecute for “interfering.” The number of people so charged is troubling. Christie Lopez, the Justice Department official overseeing the Civil Rights Division investigation into the unconstitutional practices of the Ferguson Police Department, noted in a 2010 paper on “contempt of cop” arrests that many federal settlement agreements require local law enforcement to track disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and other such charges that are frequently misused.

“There is widespread misunderstanding of police authority to arrest individuals who passively or verbally defy them. There is abundant evidence that police overuse disorderly conduct and similar statutes to arrest people who ‘disrespect’ them or express disagreement with their actions. These abusive arrests cause direct and significant harm to those arrested and, more generally, undermine the appropriate balance between police authority and individual prerogative to question the exercise of that authority,” Lopez wrote.

Ryan Reilly, one of the authors of this story, is facing charges, along with Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post, in connection with their arrests inside a McDonald’s in Ferguson on Aug. 13, 2014. Other journalists who recently received summonses from the St. Louis County Counselor include Tom Walters of the Canadian network CTV and Matty Giles, a New York University journalism student. (Videographer Mary Moore still faces charges in Ferguson Municipal Court brought by a different set of prosecutors.) 

A joint statement from the American Civil Liberties Union and several other organizations called the sudden flood of charges nearly a year after the Ferguson protests “a blatant violation of constitutional rights and an appalling misuse of our already overburdened court system.” The St. Louis County Counselor is mostly responsible for defending county officials from lawsuits. The office recently agreed to a settlement with reporter Trey Yingst, who was unlawfully arrested by the St. Louis County Police Department in November.

A county spokesman told HuffPost that most of the new cases are “probably not even that serious.” The charges, however, could lead to arrest warrants for individuals who are unaware they’ve been charged or unable to make their court date — a very likely scenario given the length of time between the incidents and the prosecutor’s response.

“No matter what we do as lawyers, there are going to be … young people who end up with warrants or end up locked up because of this,” said Brendan Roediger, a law professor at St. Louis University. 

Ryan Reilly reported from Washington; Mariah Stewart reported from St. Louis County.

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St. Louis County v. The Press: Round 1 Begins Without The Reporters

August 24, 2015 by  
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The showdown between St. Louis County and the two reporters who were charged with essentially doing their jobs in Ferguson, Missouri, last August began quietly enough on Monday. Court activity in the case was postponed until Oct. 5 as the lawyers maneuver.

It’s too soon to say what that means for The Huffington Post’s Ryan J. Reilly and The Washington Post’s Wesley Lowery, but the prosecuting authority in their case, the St. Louis County Counselor, has clearly been busy.

And judging from the “hundreds“ of court summonses that defense attorneys say were recently sent out, it appears that County Counselor Peter Krane is ready to argue that a lot of good arrests were made amid the turmoil in Ferguson last year.

Despite widespread complaints from media organizations that Reilly and Lowery in particular did nothing to merit the charges, Krane doesn’t seem convinced.

“I’m not surprised that they would claim that they were not doing anything wrong,” Krane said last week, according to St. Louis Public Radio. “But I looked at the police report, and I feel that they did do something wrong.”

So how serious are the charges that Reilly and Lowery face in the North Division of the St. Louis County Municipal Court?

The reporters were each charged with trespassing on private property and interfering with a police officer during the performance of his duty. All this stems from an encounter at the Ferguson McDonald’s on Aug. 13, 2014, when the journalists allegedly did not vacate the fast-food establishment as fast as the police wanted.

The offenses with which they’ve been charged are governed by the part of the St. Louis County municipal code that regulates “public safety and morals.” Each offense is punishable by up to one year in jail, a fine of $1,000 or both.

But the threat of jail time is likely only on paper. In real life, the alleged misdeeds under Missouri law barely rise to the level of “ordinance violations” — think of the kind of broken-windows policing that has been a hot topic in New York and elsewhere. A St. Louis County reference guide calls these ordinances “regulations that commonly affect everyday life.”

None of these quality-of-life offenses are being pursued by Robert McCulloch, St. Louis County’s prosecuting attorney. A spokesman for the county confirmed to The Huffington Post that McCulloch referred all the nonviolent cases stemming from the Ferguson unrest to the county counselor’s office.

“There were so many cases that came in,” said Cordell Whitlock, director of communications for St. Louis County. “The workload was such that it had to be divvied up.”

Last week, Krane had denied that McCulloch or the city of Ferguson turned down the prosecutions prior to the referral to his office. He said that the “charges came to my office and my office only for review.”

The county counselor’s office also defends the county and its agencies, like the police department, against lawsuits.

Whitlock said that most of these new cases against those once arrested are “probably not even that serious,” and he suggested that Krane would be seeking community service in many of them.

It isn’t clear if any offer of community service is on the table for Reilly and Lowery. Besides reducing potential punishment, any deal that the two reporters — or any of the others arrested and now charged — might strike with authorities could theoretically address their rights to bring related future cases, such as those alleging that the police violated their First Amendment rights.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri has set up an online form to help find legal representation for anyone charged during the protests a year ago.

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Inside The 3-Way Family Contest To Become The Next Publisher Of The Times

August 23, 2015 by  
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The issue of succession is a difficult matter not just for family-run businesses but for the families that run them. Take the Murdochs, for instance. Or the Binghams, the Kentucky newspaper clan that imploded in the 1980s. Historically speaking, transitions in the Sulzberger family, which has run the New York Times for 119 years, have not gone all that smoothly.

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Tucker Carlson: ‘Illegal Alien Is One Of My Favorite Terms’

August 22, 2015 by  
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Controversy surrounding the term “anchor baby” to describe children born in the U.S. to undocumented immigrants spurred debate over another offensive term Friday on Fox News’ “The Five.”

“The term that I despise is ‘illegal alien,’” guest host Geraldo Rivera said. “‘Illegal alien’ is like ‘negro’ or ‘colored.’ It was appropriate maybe in the 1950s. Nowadays, it’s absolutely offensive.”

“I like it,” guest host Tucker Carlson, founder and editor-in-chief of conservative news website The Daily Caller, retorted. “It’s one of my favorite terms. I love it. It’s like, literally true, and that’s why people hate it.”

“Negro is literally true — do you still use that?” Rivera countered.

“No,” Carlson said. “There’s no comparison at all.”

“Illegal alien” is widely considered insulting because it suggests a human being’s existence may be illegal. Last month, The Associated Press Stylebook, which dictates editorial standards for the wire service and is followed by many of the world’s English language news publications, said it would stop using the phrase. 

“The Stylebook no longer sanctions the term ‘illegal immigrant’ or the use of ‘illegal’ to describe a person,” Kathleen Carroll, AP’s senior vice president and executive editor, said in an announcement. “Instead, it tells users that ‘illegal’ should describe only an action, such as living in or immigrating to a country illegally.”

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The Bob & Chez Show Podcast: Trumps Completely Racist Immigration Plan, Plus More Sarah Palin Word Salad and Bad Lip Reading the GOP Debate

August 21, 2015 by  
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Today’s topics include: Bad Lip Reading the GOP Debate; Josh Duggar Exposed in Ashley Madison Hack; Hackers are Still Hackers No Matter Who’s Exposed; Bill O’Reilly and Sarah Palin React to Trump’s Immigration Plan; The Mainstreaming of Slavery; Anchor Babies; Deez Nuts for President; Bionic Dan Bidondi’s Bionic Italian Gynecologist; and much more.

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Report: Bloomberg To Lay Off 100 Employees

August 20, 2015 by  
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Bloomberg is planning to slim its ranks, sources said on Wednesday.

The financial media giant, which employs about 2,400 journalists across the globe, is planning to lay off about 100 employees, or about 4.2 percent, in its editorial division as soon as Labor Day, The Post has learned.

Many of the layoffs are expected to target politics and government reporters out of the New York and Washington, DC, bureaus, two sources told The Post.

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The Internet Has Descended Upon The Fat Jew, But What About F*ck Jerry?

August 19, 2015 by  
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Josh Ostrovsky, better known as “The Fat Jew,” has been making headlines for the past few months. From his larger than life Seamless ad campaign to talks of a Comedy Central show, just last week it seemed like The Fat Jew was about to catapult his immense Internet fame to IRL heights. However, following a report that Ostrovsky signed with talent agency CAA, there has been a firestorm of backlash from comedians and the media alike.

From headlines accusing Ostrovsky of theft to others calling for Instagram to ban his account entirely, the online community has made Ostrovsky the poster child for Internet plagiarism. Overnight, he went from Internet sensation to thief devoid of any original talent or humor. While this may or may not be true, there appears to be a far worse perpetrator of joke theft. Sup, @fuckjerry?

While The Fat Jew has been accused of often posting jokes that don’t belong to him (though one comedian argues this isn’t necessarily the case, nor a bad thing), Fuck Jerry appears to do something far worse. He has been accused of tweeting other people’s jokes as his own and then Instagramming the tweets from his hugely popular Instagram account, thus directing people back to his own Twitter account.

You call me your friend but where were you when my pic got four likes in two hours?

– I M S H M A C K E D (@ImShmacked) July 22, 2014

Do caterpillars know that one day they’re gonna be a butterfly or do they just build their cocoons like “bruh wtf am i doing this for”

– Fill Werrell (@FillWerrell) November 13, 2013

So why are we only talking about Ostrovsky’s rampant theft? Because he signed with CAA and was in talks to have a show with Comedy Central? Fuck Jerry has a content partnership (whatever that means) with Funny or Die and has plans to build a “long-term sustainable brand” (okay, Sonja Morgan). Oh, and as of publication, Fuck Jerry has more followers than the Fat Jew.

And here’s the other thing, say what you want about him, but the Fat Jew is a funny motherfucker. And not because he posts recycled memes and tweets. I don’t follow him for jokes that I’ve already seen five times that day. I follow him for the aspects of his account that showcase his personality. His captions are where his originality (or his interns’) shines through. For example, this tweet (which he credited, by the way) is not that funny. The caption is why I double-tapped.

The Fat Jew’s captions make me laugh harder than any meme I’ve ever seen. Meanwhile, Fuck Jerry’s captions (if he even bothers to add one) alternate between “vibes,” “mood,” “current mood” and “Mondays.”

Mood (@sophiesparrow)

A photo posted by Elliot Tebele (@fuckjerry) on Aug 10, 2015 at 4:00pm PDT

Yawn.

Oh and have you seen the video of The Fat Jew conducting Soul Cycle for the homeless? Or him as DJ Leatherhouse, a world renown DJ who never lets the beat drop? This guy is funny and original and, frankly, he doesn’t even need to steal jokes. He’s just lazy.

I’m not arguing that what the Fat Jew has been accused of doing isn’t wrong. Plagiarism is never okay. However, to those who say he is a talentless hack, you’re only half right. So if you’re looking to go after someone who is solely profiting off the ideas of others, take your pitchforks elsewhere.

If Instagram were to shut down both @TheFatJewish and @FuckJerry today, Ostrovsky could take his brand of weirdness somewhere else and still be funny. Tebele? ¯\_(?)_/¯

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Revolutionizing Hospice Care With A Mindful Approach To Death

August 18, 2015 by  
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NY Times: The Art Of Dying Well

In the latest New York Times “Fixes” column, Courtney E. Martin spotlights the Zen Hospice Project, a San Francisco nonprofit that brings the practice of mindfulness into hospice care in order to help the dying focus on the present moment.

“For someone who is dying, the past can be too complicated to contemplate and the future is jarringly unknown,” Martin writes. “Focusing on the present, Zen Hospice Project believes, is where the potential for living most meaningfully — even while dying — exists.”

The hope is that patients will be able to live more meaningfully even as they near death. Residents — who generally have less than six months to live — cook, play music, paint, and take part in other activities not generally part of the treatment plan in traditional hospitals.  

Another plus: the daily cost for care per resident is about $750, while the same patient would pay about five times that much in a hospital, Martin writes. 

With only six beds, it’s a modest operation. But the Project’s leaders hope their philosophy will influence the way society thinks about dying.

“We’re shifting from a disease-centered to a person-centered model in health care,” Dr. B.J. Miller, the Project’s executive director, told Martin. “If seen through, this shift would revolutionize how care is delivered and how illness and suffering and dying are experienced.”

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HuffPost Down Under: Introducing HuffPost Australia

August 17, 2015 by  
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I’m excited to announce the launch of The Huffington Post’s newest international edition, HuffPost Australia. This marks the 15th edition in our growing global network, and brings HuffPost’s trademark approach to news, opinion, entertainment and community to yet another continent. It also means we’re now present on six of the seven continents (stay tuned for HuffPost Antarctica!).

HuffPost Australia will be dedicated to producing great original reporting about the critical issues that Australians face, and to telling stories that focus on helping Australians live more fulfilling lives, while opening up our blogging platform to voices from all across the country to start a conversation on the topics that matter to Australians most.

When I visited Australia last year, I was overwhelmed by its sheer vastness and beauty. It is a country like no other — in fact, it’s a continent, a country and an island all in one. And while HuffPost Australia surely will focus on the many treasures the country has to offer (have you tried a proper flat white?), we have no interest in simply leaving it there. Despite its sunny weather and its inhabitants’ sunnier disposition, Australia faces many challenges familiar to the rest of the world.

One theme we especially look forward to exploring is Australia’s work culture. With one-third of the Australian workforce working on the weekends, stress and burnout are critical issues the country is facing. So in our coverage we will be shining a light on how Australians work now — from the big picture politics and policies down to how these impact Australians’ daily lives.

HuffPost Australia will also be a rich addition to HuffPost’s What’s Working editorial initiative — which doubles down on our coverage of solutions in order to give our audience a more accurate picture of the world — as we highlight people who are bringing fresh solutions to the country’s biggest problems. We can’t wait to open up the conversation around everything Australia can teach the rest of the world about the solutions, innovations and acts of compassion that all too often are left out of the media’s narrative.

HuffPost Australia is focusing on solutions from Day 1. Today, we are featuring the stories of a kitchen garden program that teaches kids at a young age how to grow and prepare their food; the work of Robogals, an organization that introduces girls around the globe to robotics and engineering; a program aimed at removing barriers for people seeking mental health treatment; and the efforts by local police to develop an app to assist women who are suffering from domestic violence.

We kick off with blog posts from conservative Federal MP Ewen Jones on Australia’s same-sex marriage debate, author Sofie Laguna on using fiction to explore the experience of children coping with domestic violence, one of Australia’s 100 Living Treasures Gabi Hollows on the staggering number of women afflicted by blindness across the world, student Bella Westaway on the complexity of living with her future in-laws as property prices surge in Sydney, and young couple Josh and Jenna on how to finish a home renovation without destroying your marriage.

HuffPost Australia will also be a place to showcase contributors who use video to share their ideas. At launch, we’re featuring a dozen YouTubers, including “Indigenous Hip Hop Projects,” a national multicultural arts group that works with isolated regional and urban Indigenous communities across Australia to empower young people and give them a platform for their issues to be heard. And “Foraged,” a web series in which chef Jovan Curic explores the bountiful landscapes of Australia and shows you how to cook with locally hand-picked produce.

Finally, I’m thrilled that we’re launching HuffPost in Australia in partnership with Fairfax Media, a leading independent, digitally-led media business and publisher of the Sydney Morning Herald, among many other publications. I especially want to thank Fairfax CEO Greg Hywood and Group Director of Digital Ventures Guy Reypert. We couldn’t have asked for better partners as we’ve gone about the work of building HuffPost Australia. We are very lucky to have great leaders at the helm: our CEO Chris Janz, who previously was the founding CEO of Allure Media, and our editor-in-chief Tory Maguire, who joins HuffPost Australia with more than 15 years experience, including serving as the Political Correspondent and Assistant Editor of Sydney’s Daily Telegraph and launching the opinion site The Punch.

Please join me in welcoming HuffPost Australia to the HuffPost family! As always, please use the comments section to let us know what you think.

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Climate, Iraq, #BlackLivesMatter — A Trumpless Show

August 16, 2015 by  
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Lowry and Lamarche debate issues during a week of more Trumpania: while Rich disparages Obama’s EPA regulation as trivial, Gara sees it as part of an urgent program that’ll make Obama THE Climate President. Is #BlackLivesMatter a natural child of the ’60s Civil Rights Movement? Then: Bush redefines chutzpah as he blames Obama/Clinton for W’s Iraq.

Climate Carbon contributes to pollution and global warming so isn’t it reasonable to reduce this “externality”? Rich scoffs because a) regulations have costs and this one will only infinitesimally reduce temperature in 80 years and b) the U.S. alone without China and India can’t reduce warming in any event. Gara in turn scoffs at Rich for: a) Ignoring overwhelming scientific consensus that global warming in occurring now, and b) Omitting how Obama is indeed “leading” the world with initial agreements with China and India. Rich doubts those developing countries “would be so stupid to hurt their economies” for so little gain.

Host: we’ll see if Rich’s pessimism or Gara’s optimism prevails when the major “warming” countries meet at a Climate Summit in Paris in December. But I’ve been living this movie since the 1970s (see Murray Weidenbaum’s cost estimates) when conservatives invoke cost-benefit analysis and then conveniently exaggerate costs and ignore benefits.

#BlackLivesMatter De jure slavery and segregation are of course over but #blacklivesmatter and others have been protesting de facto housing and school segregation, police violence, racial injustice, environmental racism, race-base joblessness…largely fueled by videos of police killings of unarmed African Americans. Rich emphasizes that this movement began with Michael Brown’s death in Ferguson, “which was based on a lie because the DoJ investigation shows that he was grabbing for the gun and then charging the police officer.” In any event, “Massive institutional racism doesn’t really exist.”

Gara and Host wonder about the rest of the DoJ report that found the Ferguson Police Department guilty of institutional racism and all the other racially related deaths, really starting with Tryvone Martin. While a first amendment/ACLU lawyer, Gara sees #blacklivesmatter “more as more civil disobedience than speech suppression since they’ve concluded it’s the only way to be heard”… and it seems to be working to pressure, so far, Sanders and O’Malley, not Clinton who began her campaign with a major address on criminal justice. “Why only Democrats so far?”, Gara asks. “Because the protestors don’t like it when how Democrats — that is, white progressives — seem to have taken them for granted” and are underwhelmed that Sanders decades ago supported civil rights.

There is a broad consensus around the benefit of police body cameras. As for by-passing grand juries (which California is doing) and local prosecutors (which NY is doing now that the Governor has appointed the AG to take over such cases), both agree that moving local prosecutors aside is probably a good idea but Lowry objects on grand juries because he likes the role that communities play in that process.

Hillary Slipping/Sanders Surging? We agree that Hillary’s resources, name and resilience mean that she’s not panicking as the FBI looks at her email problem and Bernie Sanders pulls ahead in neighboring New Hampshire (with Biden included). But Rich emphasizes two points: since this is now somewhat out of her control, she should be anxious at what FBI director Comey might do and b) her real problem is that people won’t trust her 1% elitism, which this controversy doesn’t help.

So we don’t buy the usually penetrating analysis of MSNBC’s Stve Kornacki who speculated that IF — IF — she loses Iowa and NH, she’s cooked. Hillary Clinton? Nah.

O’Malley amusingly told his supporters this week that he’s certainly “not surging too early,” but does that small joke hint that he’s calm being in the low single digits because Hillary’s lock is less certain, and Sanders shows there’s space for an electable liberal. Rich laughs: “If he’s happy about anything, that’s probably it… but it’s hard to see him catching fire.”

Jeb Doubles Down on Iraq. After she chided him on several fronts earlier this month, “Bush45″ struck back at “Clinton45″ on Iraq, blaming Obama and her for throwing away the gains of the surge by exiting prematurely. Rich defends Jeb since his analysis is right and, well, “he has to have some Iraq policy over the course of the campaign.” Gara sees Jeb’s thrust on Iraq as more self-immolating since it was Bush-Cheney, not state senator Barack Obama, who invaded Iraq, and who indeed did agree to withdraw all forces by the end of 2021.

Host: Two modern political rules here collide — while you usually don’t keep talking about your Achilles Heel, Lee Atwater said that either you’re on defense or offense, and offense is better. Who wins this exchange? Maybe anyone not named Bush or Clinton.

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